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Does whole house reverse osmosis make sense?

by Mark Timmons July 13, 2013 141 Comments

The short answer is "YES" but that doesn't mean that it is for everyone. We will consider the pros and cons of a whole-house RO system and you can decide if it is for you or not. First of all, water quality varies greatly from well water to surface water to municipal water. Well water may have things like iron, sulfur, manganese and tannin which almost always have to be removed, especially in the case of a whole-house RO system. Those contaminants must always be removed before the reverse osmosis process. Let's not forget that reverse osmosis removes the largest spectrum of contaminants at the most economical cost of any water treatment process. Essentially, a whole house reverse osmosis system will remove 98 to 99% of most contaminants including Total Dissolved Solids (TDS), sodium, chloride, sulfate, nitrate, arsenic and a plethora of other chemical and organic contaminants. One of the key ingredients to a whole house reverse osmosis system is proper per-treatment, which includes removing the iron, sulfur, manganese, tannin and other nuisance elements. So, ahead of an RO system, it is essential that filtration or oxidation of these contaminants are accomplished. If the water is hard, then it needs to be softened or (what I prefer) use an anti-scalant to prevent hard water build-up on the membranes. Anti-scalant systems are gaining popularity because no water is wasted and no salt is needed. A whole house RO system consists of the aforementioned pre-treatment, the reverse osmosis system itself, an atmospheric storage tank, a re-pressurization pump, ultraviolet light or Quantum Disinfection and sometimes a calcite filter to raise the pH or add some TDS back to the water. Here is what a city water whole-house RO system might look like:

Defender Whole House Reverse Osmosis System

Who might need a whole house reverse osmosis system? Lots of people. It could be health related in that they may want to remove as many chemicals as possible from their water. Many people have a sensitivity to such chemicals and therefore need a whole house RO system. In other cases, it may be that there are contaminants in the water that create ascetic issues such as high chlorides, sodium, sulfates and others. Sometimes we see water that has TDS levels in excess of 2,000 PPM (the USEPA recommends drinking water that is below 500 PPM). I'll grant you that the water you use to flush your toilet doesn't have to be super clean, but the amount of water used for flushing toilets in very insignificant compared to most other uses for water in your home. Washing dishes or clothes, bathing, shampooing, shaving and cleaning in clean reverse osmosis water is a pure joy. Back in the day, people used to bathe in rainwater, which is generally absolutely soft. When I was in Haiti a few years ago, we would wait for a heavy rainstorm and stand underneath a downspout plume just to enjoy a good shower. With shorts on and a bar of soap, we enjoyed every second of that shower. If taking a shower in the cleanest water on the planet, without chemicals, pesticides and hardness appeals to you, then maybe you are a candidate for a whole house reverse osmosis system. If you want to be able to drink from any faucet in the home, then maybe a whole house RO system is for you. Maybe you just want the best water possible. If so, a home whole house reverse osmosis system may just be what the doctor ordered! Cheers!


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December 04, 2013 James

My family used water which had smell bad in the nearest time so I found the water purifier and was introduced by neighbors about reverse osmosis system. Thanks for sharing!

December 06, 2013 Judie

We purchased a new (replacement) water softener and iron filter, and added a reverse osmosis system for the kitchen water tap and the fridge, two years ago. We also have a UV filter. Even after the softener and iron filter, our water has many TDS (count is usually around 1,500 PPM). I am frustrated with not being able to put my cutlery in the dishwasher (it gets stained) and we always have a salt film on the dishes. We are considering going to a whole home RO system. What would be involved in going to a whole house RO system? Can we reuse the equipment already in place and just add whatever is needed for the rest?

December 09, 2013 dave wdowiak

looking for a reasonable filtration system for my city water system in the Villages in Florida. Also one for my son in South Lyon MI. His is a little more complicated. He is on a city well. He has special needs. his youngest so has brain siezoursrs that require elimination or very low amounts certain chemicals in his water. this applies to bathing as well as drinking.

December 16, 2013 Aaron Merritt

Just found this article. I have been considering a RO whole home solution for my house. But looks like we might need a little more, or something different than that based on your article, plus what I know about the water.

We just drilled a well 2 months ago. Currently, we pump the water from the well into a 5000 gallon storage tank direct from the well (5.5 gpm). From there we have a secondary pump and pressure tank to keep the water at 40-60psi as it goes to the house.

We have had the water tested, and these are the results that we have determined:

Metals by EPA 200 Series Methods
Arsenic – None Detected
Boron 4.1 mg/L
Calcium 5.6 mg/L
Iron 0.15 mg/L
Magnesium 4.5 mg/L
Manganese 0.024 mg/L
Sodium 350 mg/L

Metals by EPA Method 200.8 ICP/MS
Copper – None Detected
Zinc – None Detected

Conventional Chemistry Parameters by APHA/EPA Methods
Color 10 CU
Odor – None Detected
pH 8.60 Ph Units
Specific Conductance (EC) 1600 umhos/cm
Total Dissolved Solids 810 mg/L
Turbidity 3.2 NTU
Hardness, Total 33 mg/L

Anions by EPA Method 300.0?Chloride 34 mg/L
Nitrate as 0.90 mg/L
Nitrite as N – None Detected
Sulfate as SO4 300 mg/L

Microbiological Parameters by APHA Standard Methods
Total Coliforms: Present
E. Coli: Absent

December 17, 2013 John Sagert

Hi Mark,

How often do you have to change out a RO membrane? I know they are pricey items. Also, how do you get rid of the white (lime??) residue that corrodes every thing and anything that is in my home? That stuff has utterly destroyed 2 hot water heaters now in only 17 years, literally rusting them in 2. And God knows how many bathroom, kitchen and outdoor fixtures I have had to replace. It does not bode well for my fish tank(s) and related equipment either. Fortunately my house is plumbed with PEX, but this does not keep the fittings from falling apart and consequently leaking. Again, fortunately all of the fittings are exposed and easily repaired. Would a RO filter economically survive such an environment? I had a under the sink system for 13 years roughly and honestly, it seemed good except the pre and post filters needed replacement way to often and cost a pretty penny. The RO membrane cost so much it was actually cheaper to replace the whole system!

My water supply is a community well that is tested multiple times a year with a 200 to 400 ppm TDS, and per the state and county exceeds minimum safe use and consumption standards. I have 2 full baths and 3 persons in my home.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Note – I am in the market but I research extensively before I do anything. And since I just finished replacing the hot water heater (again), I am attempting to locate a good economical way to clear up the water. I currently use a whole house sediment filter that runs at 1 micron. But again – this does not remove the “hardness”, just large amounts of them.

Thanks!
John Sagert

December 18, 2013 Traci

First off, thanks so much for all the great information Mark! :) I had read elsewhere that RO systems remove the minerals that cause water to be hard— but from what I’m gathering here, you’re saying that the minerals in hard water need to be removed with an anti-scalant or softener prior to going through an RO system, or those minerals can damage the RO system, is this correct?

Thanks so much for your help, Traci

December 19, 2013 Maureen

I am on well water and have a terrible sulfur smell. We have been putting hydrogen peroxide down the well, which helps with the smell for a short time. we’re having to use it more and more often. We are researching what will be the best type of system for our problems. I really don’t like water softners because I don’t like the salt taste in my water. Can you please send me some information?

December 21, 2013 Luis Chávez

You guys need to fire your writers. I have a hard time taking you seriously when whoever wrote this copy doesn’t understand verb-subject agreement.

December 24, 2013 Mark Timmons

Erin,

Here is the link to our systems:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/systems/reverse-osmosis/whole-house-reverse-osmosis-systems

We have three sizes. How many in your home and how many bathrooms?

They are easy to install and we are here 7 days a week for tech support.

December 26, 2013 Mark Timmons

John,

First of all, we have many people with RV’s come to our facility and have systems installed. We are in Indianapolis, but I have no idea where you are.

We have a small, powerful softener made for RV’s:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-aquatrol-premium-metered-water-softener.html

We usually use some pre-filters like this:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/aquapurion-big-blue-4-5-x-20-commercial-filter-housing.html

Typically, we would install this ahead of the softener with these filters:

#1: https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-4-5-x-20-pleated-filter-cartridge-20-micron.html
#2: https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-4-5-x-20-pleated-filter-cartridge-5-micron.html
#3: https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-radial-flow-carbon-filter-4-5-x-20-rfc-bb-20.html (city water) or
https://www.uswatersystems.com/pentek-4-5-x-20-radial-flow-iron-reduction-cartridge-rffe20-bb.html (this for well water)

Followed by:
https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-whole-house-professional-grade-ultraviolet-system-10-gpm.html

and this for just at the sink for drinking:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/aquapurion-plus-5-stage-reverse-osmosis-system.html

Let me know if you have questions.

December 29, 2013 Mark Timmons

No, we only sell direct, but if you get a detailed water analysis like this:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-lab-water-test.html

we can probably help!

January 01, 2014 Mark Timmons

I suppose so – you should get a detailed water test like this:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-lab-water-test.html

January 03, 2014 Mark Timmons

John,

The RO Membrane can last from 6 months to 6 years… or more, depending upon how well the water is pre-treated (i.e, softened, iron removed, etc.)

You get rid of the lime with a softener or an anti-scalant.

You can replace all the filters AND the membrane on our undersink RO system for $55.00 – usually once a year!

A softener would be the best solution and if the water were softened, the membrane would last years, making the annual filter cost $34.95.

January 06, 2014 Mark Timmons

Nick,

I don’t think you are rude, just ignorant and arrogant! Those two are often a deadly combination. “Salesman with no experience in water treatment?” I don’t need to re-cite my credentials, but my 42 years of experience in treating home and commercial-industrial applications speaks for itself. I have worked with the EPA and other state agencies for many years. You said “adding bleach or hydrogen peroxide will help”. What about the THM’s formed from the bleach and while we are at it, do you have any clue that bleach has additives which are not to be used in potable water? That is very dangerous advice. Then you go on and say “if you don’t want to use a water softener, some form of aeration would take care of the problem without chemicals” Really? Seriously? A water softener will do nothing for the smell! A water softener is not even in the equation – it does nothing for sulfur water. Aeration will handle very small amounts of sulfur, but if you have higher amounts, and also sulfur-reducing bacteria, you can make a big mess. And, while you are at it, why did you not tell Maureen that when you add aeration, you can introduce airborne contaminants (bacteria) that will also have to be dealt with.

To even comment on John’s water without a detailed water test shows TOTAL IGNORANCE on your part. It’s like going to the Doctor and saying your stomach hurts and expecting him to prescribe a remedy without any testing. That would be felony stupid! The white could be from calcium and magnesium hardness but it could also be the result of high-alkalinity combined with pH issues, high TDS along with chlorides and sulfates, genius! That advice you gave is wrong and morally reprehensible to say nothing of being totally irresponsible!

Bern’s issue is also one you cannot answer because you really don’t know what is in the water. Only water testing can answer that question. By the way, we lose money on the water tests – we do it as a service to customers because only an uninformed person would try and treat their water without adequate testing.

On Kathy’s blue staining, it can be from low pH water, but I have seen just as many on water where the PH is above 7.5. It can be a grounding or electrolysis issue and even some types of water problems can cause the blue stains. To say Calcite will solve it is also irresponsible.

I almost deleted your posts, but sometimes I think it’s good that consumers understand that there are lots of ignorant and unqualified people out there who try and pose as water experts. We are experienced (42+ years) and we test the water, because you can’t treat something properly unless you know what is in the water and if there are any competing contaminants. We take water treatment seriously and are not some hack who just comes in and does a “drive-by shooting.”

January 09, 2014 Mark Timmons

OK Nick – tell me how it is overpriced and overkill. Tell me where you can get it cheaper and explain why it is overkill.

This should be good!

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