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Confused About Salt-Free Water Conditioners?

by Mark Timmons February 09, 2011 69 Comments

Mark, I've read a couple of your posts and it seems to me there are a lot of people out there that are looking for salt-free water softener/conditioner. I've looked at Easy Water and had a response from a representative. I feel that Easy Water doesn't work as it is more or less a gimmick. On the other hand, Pelican™* NaturSoft (was looking at combo series) seems plausible but according to what you've mentioned in your posts it doesn't do what the web site stated. The representative I spoke with indicated that the hardness number will not change after the system is installed (which would be a fact) and the minerals would still be present but crystallized so I don't get the hard water side effects.

Does that mean I'd use less soap, etc? And how long would the minerals remain crystallized? Also, the web site indicated that the build up (scale) in the copper pipes will eventually be removed after the system is installed and apparently with water softener the existing scale doesn't go away and it simply slows down the scale build-up. Granted, it's very difficult decision to make and I certainly don't want to make an expensive mistake.

A family friend has water softener for years and she mentioned she has Kinetico. It doesn't require electricity and, apparently, it is replenished with salt once a year. I know Kinetico makes quality systems however I heard they are very expensive, perhaps overpriced. I'm not entirely sold on the idea of the soapy feeling. I'm guessing I need some more answers before I make a decision.

I know I do have hard water and I don't recall the numbers when I had a local company come by to test the water and tried to sell me water softener. When I told the salesman that I will think about it and almost on a daily basis I get a call from him asking whether I have made a decision. He was pretty pushy and I decided to put it off (been a year now) and I know I need a system to treat hard water and prolong appliances that are only a few years old as well as filtered water at every tap. Not to mention, easier to clean in the bathrooms especially the shower stalls.

Thanks for your time. -Ethan


The Water Doctor replied: Ethan, I have been getting this question quite a lot, and so I have decided to re-visit this issue in this blog. The two companies you mentioned (Easy Water and Pelican™) are the two main companies that we get questions about, although there are a multitude of other companies selling similar products. First of all, I think that it needs to be established that the two companies you mentioned are what I call "One-Trick-Ponies" and I don't necessarily mean that as a bad thing, I just mean that they basically sell ONE PRODUCT - Salt-Free Water Treatment Systems. Oh, they may say that they have a few other products, but they essentially have one product which they "push." That is the biggest difference between US Water and these companies - we have the largest selection of water treatment products on the planet BECAUSE THERE IS NO ONE TECHNOLOGY WHICH SOLVES EVERY WATER PROBLEM.

Many people say that the Easy Water system, and systems like them do not work. That is not my position - I think there is some validity to the technology, however it does not work like they insinuate, and now we have proof!

First of all, the technology behind Easy Water is Electromagnetic or Radio Frequency (RF). Electromagnetic Technology (ET) consists of a wire wrapped around the water pipe that transmits electronic frequencies (a magnetic field) and claims to precipitate hardness into aragonite crystal, forming a soft scale as opposed to calcite. While the exact mechanism is not clear, it is theorized that dissolved oxygen, silica and the carbonate ion may play a role.

The Pelican™ system uses a process which may be characterized as similar to Template Assisted Crystallization (TAC). US Water has a product called the Green Wave which utilizes a process substantially the same as TAC, called MEP (Matrix Enabled Particularization). Pelican™ uses a similar method. Filtersorb SP3 and nextScaleStop are also two similar methods or media. These methods employ a special surface-treated resin bead to act as a catalytic nucleation site for the conversion and growth of hardness crystals, which are subsequently released and remain in solution without forming scale.

In a recent study, funded by the Water Research Foundation (which is still on-going and not yet complete), it was found that the TAC Technology reduced scale by 96.4 percent, while the electromagnetic technology only reduced sale by 41.7%. By my math, the electromagnetic technology was less than half as effective. Do you want a product that reduces scale by 96% or 41%? I think that's an easy answer. Force fields work in Star Trek, but maybe not so well in water treatment!

Assuming that Pelican™ has viable technology (and I am not saying that they do - just assuming so), I have problems with the way they market their products. On the site where they have their products for sale, they say the following: "The Pelican™ NaturSoft Salt Free Water Softener is the most environmentally conscious hard water softening/conditioning system available."

According to the Water Quality Association (WQA) "softened water" "is water that contains less than one grain per gallon (gpg) of hardness ions." Therefore, any device that is effective in reducing the water hardness to less than one gpg is a softener. Conversely, and water treatment device that does not reduce the hardness of the water to less than 1 gpg cannot be called a softener and it does not produce soft water. Pelican™ says that they have "naturally softened water, without salt" and calls their product a water softener. It may condition the water, but it absolutely doesn't soften the water by causing it to contain less than 1 gpg hardness ions. In fact, they go on to say: "The Pelican™ Natursoft keeps the healthy minerals in the water so you can enjoy naturally softened water." Naturally softened water contains no minerals and they say that they keep the minerals in the water, so the two statements are contradictory and misleading.

Pelican™ may be a water "conditioner" but to call it a water "softener" is extremely misleading to the consumer. I have tested both Easy Water and Pelican™ and can find no basis for claims that you will use less soaps and detergents or that you will have whiter and brighter clothes. I know that they have some glowing testimonials, but I wonder if some of the endorsements are by people who have seen these "little green men" as well. Also, when looking at a Pelican™ NaturSoft Combo System, look at the size of the tanks. On the carbon tank, they say that theirs is 11" x 57.5" for the 15 GPM Model. A tank that size holds 1.5 cu/ft of carbon. Each cubic foot of carbon will successfully treat up to 5 GPM. Oh, you can get more water than that through it, but it won't be properly de-chlorinated. They don't have any specifications on their pre-filter but it looks to be a 4.5" x 10" while the Green Wave has a 4.5" x 20" - Twice the Size! Let's compare the Pelican™ Combo with the US Water Green Wave Plus:

Pelican™ Green Wave
Model PSE-2000 GWP-1500
Maximum Flow Rate 15 GPM 15 GPM
Pre-Filter Size 4.5” x 10” 4.5” x 20”
Pre-Filter Type String Pleated
Carbon Tank 10” x 54” 13” x 65”
Amount of Carbon 1.5 cu/ft 3.0 cu/ft
Scale Tank 10” x 54” 10” x 54”
Cost $2,349 $2,295

You can't expect to properly de-chlorinate and treat 15 GPM with 1.5 cu/ft of carbon. PERIOD! The Green Wave Plus has a prefilter TWICE THE SIZE, an upflow carbon filter TWICE THE SIZE and costs less. What do you think makes the most sense? You can't cheat "contact time" in carbon filtration. You have to have a properly sized tank and the right quantity of carbon. If not, the water will be wet, but it won't be properly filtered and some contaminants will pass through. Insofar as soft water verses conditioned water, here's a chart as to what each product will do:

So, you have a choice: You can eliminate scale with the proper type of salt-free water conditioner or with a salt-based water softener. Some salt-free conditioners as well as some salt-based water softeners will also remove chorine and chemicals, but if you want to use up to 50% or 60% less soaps, cleansers, shampoos, detergents and things like that, your only choice is a salt-based water softener. It simply isn't happening with a salt-free system, no matter what the people who have seen the little green men say (I call them the "lunatic fringe"). Some people say "I want to be green and don't want to put salt back into the environment." That's a noble thought, and it's not the salt that's the problem, it's the chloride, but let me ask another question:

If you are "green" and don't use salt when you have hard water, you will end up using 50% more soaps, detergents, chemicals and water conditioning chemical compounds and THOSE ARE DISCHARGED BACK INTO THE ENVIRONMENT - Which is worse? Think about it. Maybe now you will understand why we sell a full line of water treatment products, including salt-free water conditioners, as well as salt-based water softeners. We aren't "one-trick-pony" and we tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Michaud, Chubb, Softening Alternatives, Water Conditioning & Purification Journal, January 2011.

* - Pelican™ is a registered trademark of Pelican Water Technologies.
US Water Systems has no affiliation with the company.

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April 28, 2011 mark

Jack,

A lot depends upon what is in your water. The amount of sodium added in most cases is small, but if your water is extremely hard, it could be higher. A good water analysis is paramount. I recommend this one:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-lab-water-test.html

Another issue is taste. Frankly, I don’t like soft water and ultrafiltration won’t do much for that. Reverse osmosis is the only practical way to remove the sodium.

Depending upon your budget, you may want to consider whole house reverse osmosis. This involves a commercial reverse osmosis system which doesn’t waste nearly as much water. In fact, in many instances and with proper pre-treatment, we can recover 75% of the water.

Get that water test done first and then we can tell you how to proceed.

May 01, 2011 Nick

Hi Mark,
I have a home 4,000 sq ft, – moved in 3 years ago, 4 people, 4 baths. No water softener. My wife has been complaining about scale on fixtures and worry about appliances. Just bought a 44k Whirlpool unit, had a plumber over for installation and there is no place to drain it. I don’t want to create a dry well. So, back to square 1. We don’t care about the hard water, only prolonging appliances and fixtures. We have all PVC piping (1996 house) so doubt scale build-up in pipes is too important either. We’re in Jacksonville, FL where our hardness is 308 ppm, 18 gpg. What is my best solution? GreenWave, Aquos, Nuvo, Pulsar Limeblaster, etc.? Hoping to spend under $700! Thanks! Nick

May 07, 2011 Krish

We have 50 gpg hard water with no iron. ls saltfree conditioner a good option? What are the bad effects of such conditioned water compared to normal ion exchange softner water?
Thanks

May 10, 2011 Navneet

How do you compare to James Water Softeners? They are the only ones to hit the magic 17 GPM needed for a 2 bathroom home. 16.8 GPM is needed for such a home according to the water quality association of america.

May 12, 2011 Mike

I already have a descaler that works very well at descaling, I need some kind of filter to filter the residue that appears as a milky cloud on everything like my sink, shower, and dishes. SO is there a filter I can use without using salt, or electricity?

May 14, 2011 mark

Bonnie,

I would recommend a 35,000 grain softener like one of these:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/systems/water-softener-system

May 17, 2011 mark

Rick,

This is currently the best option:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/green-wave-advantage.html

Salt free systems are not perfect and you won’t get the results you do with a salt-based softener. The Green Wave is currently the best available technology. If there is something better, we will sell it.

May 19, 2011 mark

Janet,

I would recommend this Bodyguard:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/us-water-bodyguard-whole-house-chemical-removal-filtration-system.html

I think you will be very happy with it.

May 20, 2011 mark

Karen,

In a word – NO! There are a lot of people who will tell you that, but is simply isn’t true.

With water that hard, you will need a salt-based water softener or a whole-house reverse osmosis system.

Call us if you have questions…

May 22, 2011 Mark Timmons

Lots of questions. I’ll answer them individually:

If the TAC technology massively reduces calcium deposits (scale) on the inside of pipes and appliances, then why wouldn’t it do the same for dishes? When our softener starts to wear out, we don’t just get “spots” – which can be taken care of with products like Jet Dry, and special detergents. We get hard white deposits on silverware, glasses, and dishes which are very difficult to remove. Wouldn’t the TAC technology reduce that to a minimal level?

“Velocity” through the pipes prevents the buildup, but there is no velocity in the dishwasher. TAC or any salt-free method does not remove the hardness so it is still there on the dishes and when it dries there are spots. No reduction with TAC – end of story!

If it does, I wouldn’t care about a few easily removable spots, or soap that doesn’t produce oceans of suds. Also, I like minerals in my water, and dislike soft water (so we drink bottled mineral water, which seems crazy when our water naturally has so much calcium and magnesium). But we didn’t leave the kitchen tap water unsoftened because, with 19 grains of hard water, the stainless steel sink accumulates scale way too easily.

Drink what you like – Mineral water is fine!

Also, with soft water, it takes five minutes to rinse a little soap off your hands, which never does feel like it’s actually gone, and just ends up on the towel I guess. But with water this hard we can choose between having the slimy feeling, or buying all brand new appliances once a year – so the slime wins every time.

It does not take 5 minutes to rinse off the soap. You are just feeling you own skin oils and confusing it with soap. Here’s proof: Wash a hand in hard water with IVORY SOAP, rinse it and it won’t feel slick (you say slimy). Then lick it – you will taste the soap. Do the same with soft water. You will feel slick (you say slimy) but you won’t taste the soap. GUARANTEED!

To top it off you save 50% on soaps because you don’t use as much.

You say slimy – I say silky – it’s a matter of perspective.

May 25, 2011 Mark Timmons

1. I have never heard of James Water Softeners.
2. They are not the only ones who hit 17 GPM – we have many softeners that flow over 17 GPM!
3. Where does the Water Quality Association say you need 16.8 GPM for a two bedroom home?

May 27, 2011 Mark Timmons

Nadia,

Saltless water conditioners DO NOT soften the water, PERIOD! First of all, we need to know about your water so that we can fix it. I would advise you to give us a call. One of our Certified Water Specialists can put you on the right path. 800-608-8792 and no one is on commission.

June 01, 2011 Mark Timmons

Sorry, for the late response. Your e-mail was stuck in my spam filter. Here is what we recommend for iron:

https://www.uswatersystems.com/infusion-backwashing-filter-for-iron-sulfur-and-manganese-removal.html

June 04, 2011 Mark Timmons

WE HAVE REASONABLY PRIICED SYSTEMS THAT CAN FIX YOUR WATER.

GIVE US A CALL AT 800-608-8792.

June 06, 2011 Mark Timmons

Steve,

I guess I fail to see what the benefit would be. The water softener also removes the calcium. If you want a water softener, a conditioner is redundant!

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