Comments on: DVGW-512 – Urban Legend? http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/ The source for information on reverse osmosis, water softening, no-salt systems, iron and sulfur removal, disinfection and filtration for home and business - we do everything with water... except walk on it! Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:45:42 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: mark http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-881 mark Fri, 14 Jan 2011 02:43:07 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-881 Warren, Insofar as I can tell, the Puronics Clarius is a back-washing carbon filter with some silver-impregnated carbon inside (which is a registered EPA pesticide). From what I gather it does nothing for scale - just removes chemicals and chlorine and (I'm guessing) is pretty pricey. The Green Wave does that AND prevents scale. Big Difference! Warren,

Insofar as I can tell, the Puronics Clarius is a back-washing carbon filter with some silver-impregnated carbon inside (which is a registered EPA pesticide). From what I gather it does nothing for scale – just removes chemicals and chlorine and (I’m guessing) is pretty pricey. The Green Wave does that AND prevents scale.

Big Difference!

]]> By: Warren http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-880 Warren Thu, 13 Jan 2011 07:27:26 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-880 I have a similar question as SueR. How does the GreenWave compare to the Puronics Clarius system? I have a similar question as SueR. How does the GreenWave compare to the Puronics Clarius system?

]]> By: mark http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-879 mark Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:11:43 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-879 John Cape wrote: Mark, We are about ready to do a copper repipe and would like to add a soft water system at the same time. We have been getting conflicting statements about whether we go with a salt or salt-free system. We live in Southern Cal. (if, by chance that should make a difference.) What do you know specifically about Pure Water Technologies? The Water Doctor Replied: Sorry for the delay - I have taken some time off. Pure Water Technologies looks like a good company, however I really know nothing about them. Their product uses nextScaleStop, which in my opinion is not as good as our current MEP Media. We used to use nextScaleStop, which less than steller results. John Cape wrote:

Mark, We are about ready to do a copper repipe and would like to add a soft water system at the same time. We have been getting conflicting statements about whether we go with a salt or salt-free system. We live in Southern Cal. (if, by chance that should make a difference.) What do you know specifically about Pure Water Technologies?

The Water Doctor Replied:

Sorry for the delay – I have taken some time off. Pure Water Technologies looks like a good company, however I really know nothing about them. Their product uses nextScaleStop, which in my opinion is not as good as our current MEP Media. We used to use nextScaleStop, which less than steller results.

]]> By: John Cape http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-878 John Cape Sat, 30 Oct 2010 02:38:40 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-878 Mark, We are about ready to do a copper repipe and would like to add a soft water system at the same time. We have been getting conflicting statements about whether we go with a salt or salt-free system. We live in Southern Cal. (if, by chance that should make a difference.) What do you know specifically about Pure Water Technologies? Mark, We are about ready to do a copper repipe and would like to add a soft water system at the same time. We have been getting conflicting statements about whether we go with a salt or salt-free system. We live in Southern Cal. (if, by chance that should make a difference.) What do you know specifically about Pure Water Technologies?

]]> By: SueR. http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-877 SueR. Sat, 25 Sep 2010 21:40:59 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-877 I have a question: what do you know about Puronics ( specifically the "new " Clarius no salt/potassium) system? What do you know about the compnay in general? Saw an ad and am wondering about company claims about salt free, environmentally friendly system?!?! I have a question: what do you know about Puronics ( specifically the “new ” Clarius no salt/potassium) system? What do you know about the compnay in general? Saw an ad and am wondering about company claims about salt free, environmentally friendly system?!?!

]]> By: No salt water softeners and salt-free systems rated by DVGW-512 | Ask The Water Doctor http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-876 No salt water softeners and salt-free systems rated by DVGW-512 | Ask The Water Doctor Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:06 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-876 [...] Well, the fact that we (US Water) sell the GreenWave and not Pelican should say enough about it. I also believe that DVGW-512 is of no value. The Pelican system is “Third Party-Tested.” What does that mean? It could mean that they gave someone some money to test it and they said it was great. As it stands right now, there is no Certification, Testing or Validation of Salt-less or Salt-free water conditioning systems by any credible testing facility. The DVGW-512 standard is dubious, at best. (See previous post) [...] [...] Well, the fact that we (US Water) sell the GreenWave and not Pelican should say enough about it. I also believe that DVGW-512 is of no value. The Pelican system is “Third Party-Tested.” What does that mean? It could mean that they gave someone some money to test it and they said it was great. As it stands right now, there is no Certification, Testing or Validation of Salt-less or Salt-free water conditioning systems by any credible testing facility. The DVGW-512 standard is dubious, at best. (See previous post) [...]

]]> By: mark http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-875 mark Mon, 31 May 2010 22:29:12 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-875 The Water Doctor Replied: <strong>“Properly applied” means that it is on water that does not have iron, sulfur or manganese and that the consumer understands what it will or won’t do.</strong> The Water Doctor Replied:

“Properly applied” means that it is on water that does not have iron, sulfur or manganese and that the consumer understands what it will or won’t do.

]]> By: Wayne http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-874 Wayne Tue, 18 May 2010 05:44:33 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-874 Mark, You indicated that the Green Wave can do an excellent job of preventing scale when applied properly. Can you explain what do you mean by applied properly and how would we know it is applied properly? Thanks, Wayne <strong>The Water Doctor Replied: "Properly applied" means that it is on water that does not have iron, sulfur or manganese and that the consumer understands what it will or won't do. </strong> Mark,

You indicated that the Green Wave can do an excellent job of preventing scale when applied properly. Can you explain what do you mean by applied properly and how would we know it is applied properly?

Thanks,

Wayne

The Water Doctor Replied:

“Properly applied” means that it is on water that does not have iron, sulfur or manganese and that the consumer understands what it will or won’t do.

]]> By: mark http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-873 mark Thu, 25 Feb 2010 02:29:12 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-873 Dick, Sorry for the late response, but I have been gone for a few days. The Green Wave is the product of years of testing and is also evolving. The biggest thing is that it does what we say. It doesn't soften water or make "naturally soft water" like some companies claim. It doesn't make soap lather better or make clothes whiter and brighter as others snake-oil salespeople claim. Those are out-and-out lies which are totally false! The Green Wave can do an excellent job of preventing scale when applied properly. One thing to think about however (and other companies LIE about this): With a salt-based water softener, you use about 50% leass soap, chemicals, detergents and other products. What effect does that have on the environmnet? I don't have the answer, but it is something to ponder. Dick,

Sorry for the late response, but I have been gone for a few days.

The Green Wave is the product of years of testing and is also evolving. The biggest thing is that it does what we say. It doesn’t soften water or make “naturally soft water” like some companies claim. It doesn’t make soap lather better or make clothes whiter and brighter as others snake-oil salespeople claim. Those are out-and-out lies which are totally false!

The Green Wave can do an excellent job of preventing scale when applied properly.

One thing to think about however (and other companies LIE about this): With a salt-based water softener, you use about 50% leass soap, chemicals, detergents and other products. What effect does that have on the environmnet? I don’t have the answer, but it is something to ponder.

]]> By: Dick Sprague http://www.uswatersystems.com/blog/2010/02/dvgw-512-urban-legend/comment-page-1/#comment-872 Dick Sprague Sat, 20 Feb 2010 16:49:34 +0000 http://www.askthewaterdoctor.com/?p=294#comment-872 Do you still stand behind the Green Wave line of scale control devices? I am an environmental chemist with >40 years of experience, primarily in solid waste. I do, however, have some experience in water, primarily wastewater. We live in an area that has significant scale. Water softening is not an option - the rivers that I fish are severely depleted by urban withdrawals; the fish are already highly stressed, and adding sodium to the streams will stress them further. Because of all or the foregoing, I am looking for something that will reduce scale buildup without adding 'softening' cations. Do you still stand behind the Green Wave line of scale control devices? I am an environmental chemist with >40 years of experience, primarily in solid waste. I do, however, have some experience in water, primarily wastewater. We live in an area that has significant scale. Water softening is not an option – the rivers that I fish are severely depleted by urban withdrawals; the fish are already highly stressed, and adding sodium to the streams will stress them further. Because of all or the foregoing, I am looking for something that will reduce scale buildup without adding ‘softening’ cations.

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